87 version of the Dream of Red Mansions makeup feel so heavy, everyone is floating powder, how do you think?

Suddenly glanced at this question, suddenly feel can say, makeup problem is not 87 a family's hardest hit, and even can say, 87's makeup is still each version of the Dream of Red Mansions in the more colorful.

In order to make some fans filter very full of Bean shut up, I try to choose stills screenshots, rather than refining pictures.

First of all, 87

87 makeup has the following problems: Ping'er Phoenix face white unnatural, Daiyu Tanchun and other actors face value suddenly high and low, hair bangs and so on look greasy strand by strand.

For example, the first time I met Liu Lou Lou this, Phoenix's face has a weird white.

Coupled with her eyebrows painted very thin, it is more and more emphasize her big white face, this scene Ping'er's face is also unusually white, unknown whether it is the same make-up artist, and indoor lighting reasons.

Another example is Daiyu, the first scene on the boat, the bangs are very messy, you can see that the powder is a little thick.

The bad thing is that Chen Xiaoxu suddenly fat and thin (after all, the first love of the crew to eat props), because the shooting span is relatively large, so sometimes the Daiyu will be a little fat, the face value in front of the camera will suddenly become lower.

When Daiyu buried flowers, obviously fat.

And when she first moved into the Grand View Garden, it was also very obvious that she had a big face.

But then a close-up shot is absolutely beautiful, visible because of makeup, modeling, lighting a series of reasons.

探春也差不多，在芦雪庵一回，感觉emmmm，好像是变胖了，眉毛有点粗毛，粉也很厚

看一下其他妆容的对比，我最爱的一身妆容

87囿于时代，存在比较多的问题，但在妆容上，是下了狠功的，每个人物拥有不同的造型和服装，服务於他們 Their own roles and personalities, but also serve their identity and class, which is very valuable.

Second, let's talk about 89

If you can't tolerate 87's thick powder and face value, you won't be able to accept 89, because everyone's face looks greasy and uncomfortable.

This is the first shot of Daiyu, do you think this powder is not thick?

And then a proper face, sister are you a bit hot and sweaty with a greasy face?

The next one is even more obvious, pulling the lighting engineer and the post out to heaven

And it's not just Daiyu's problem, Phoenix has been hit:

Ke Qing has been hit:

Bao Hairpin has been hit:

The whole story unfolds in this greasy atmosphere, and there are all the beauties in it, and they are all beautiful, although with this greasy make-up it's still very pretty. This greasy grease is really hard to bear ah.

Not that I'm mocking it, this thing really can not be called "Dream of Red Mansions", the first two although the makeup on the problem, but after all, there is makeup, 10 you dare to say that the makeup?

Don't talk about forehead makeup, 10 that piece of head is modeled after the kunqu, that's called forehead hair, or patch, professional point called small bend big willow. The forehead makeup refers to the forehead yellow, flower inlay, and paste the piece is far away from ten thousand eight hundred thousand miles. Want to understand this go to see my analysis of the article, not to repeat.

Other are not mentioned, you tell me the eyebrows? Could it be that they didn't draw eyebrows in those days? Li danwei widow no eyebrows, widow, can not paint

Daiyu no eyebrows

Baochai tanchun shichun no eyebrows

Qin Keqing also no eyebrows, but people have eyeshadow, green eyeshadow, and nails are synchronized.

Looking around on Wang Xifeng drew an eyeliner, she alone can afford to draw ah? You can afford to draw eyeliner you also draw an eyebrow is not good?

In fact, the old lady doesn't have eyebrows

This makeup looks good?

Lin Daiyu did not seem to knit non-frowning curly eyebrows, Baochai did not have lips without pointing and red, eyebrows without painting and green, Phoenix did not have willow leaf hanging slightly eyebrow, not to mention that the Dan lips did not open the smile first smell, Cao Xueqin is nonsense, Li Shaohong director and the whole crew is correct?

If this is also called makeup, you let other crews and makeup artists still live?

Why do people need to make up, first of all, it is certainly for the beauty, and secondly, it is a kind of attitude towards life, put in the TV series, the requirements are more:

First, it is for the good-looking, so that the audience can see the comfortable, which audience like the actor face to face no color? For example, Li Xinjie in "Big Man", this girl is a master in ghost movies, but this martial arts drama seems to be a vegetarian face on the camera, do you like it? Her state of daily is not as good as the maid, and even more so by the other actresses in the drama.

Secondly, your makeup must be for the character, to show how the character reacts in different state periods. For example, Wu Zetian's series of makeup changes.

The same is true of Zhen Huan biography, different makeup and styling, intuitively expressed Zhen Huan's journey.

Go back and look at the makeup issue of 87 again.

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Text: Qimen Xiao Xie

How can you feel strange? This is how the characters in Dream of the Red Chamber are supposed to be powdered.

Ancient ladies, it is supposed to pay attention to the makeup, look at the photos of Empress Wanrong and Consort Zhenfei of the Qing Dynasty. Even in black and white photos, it is obvious that the eyebrows are trimmed long and thick black, and the lipstick color is very dark. The hairstyle is meticulous, and the hair accessories are dignified and elegant.

It can be seen that the aristocrats at that time was popular thick makeup, they usually have nothing to do, and can not go out at will to play, in the home to dress up their own, must be very careful.

The Dream of the Red Chamber describes a large family, not only rich, and high status, the family's sons and daughters, in the grooming is not sloppy, will not see people face to face. And at that time there were a lot of rules and regulations of feudalism, and the girls had to groom themselves carefully. Noble women's every move are strictly regulated, grooming is not neat, dress up is not complete, will be punished by the family rules.

Dream of the Red Chamber, invited many well-known consultants and red scientists to the various details of the gatekeeper, pavilions, pavilions, streets, furnishings, tables and chairs, a move, a smile, etc., are after expert examination before the design. The actor's makeup, is the most important thing, not only to meet the characteristics of the times, but also to reflect the character personality, but also generous, in line with the public aesthetic concept. Each person's makeup is prudent and careful, after a number of people to determine.

"Dream of Red Mansions", "two curved like knit non-knit bird's eye, a pair of like weeping non-weeping eyes with dew. The state of the two dimple of the sadness, delicate attack a body of the disease" is the description of Lin Daiyu. Make-up artist Yang Shuyun and costume designer Shi Yanqin, to Lin Daiyu designed clothing and makeup in light colors as the tone, even if the lapel and piping with embroidery, but also to the plum blossom, orchids, such as plain and elegant flowers, embroidery is exquisite. Plain and ethereal, there is a kind of transcendent fairy atmosphere.

Previously, I have seen Yang Shuyun specializing in how to give Daiyu make-up. The look of Daiyu's eyebrows, is after careful discussion, and then studied all kinds of ancient books to determine, when they saw the "Xijing Miscellany" wrote Zhuo Wenjun's eyebrows "far mountain eyebrows - light and curved, forget about as far away as the mountains", so they decided to use the gray green color to draw eyebrows for Daiyu, in line with Daiyu's morbid beauty and physiological characteristics. At the same time, they also studied the makeup of Yang Guifei "eight sad eyebrows, face painted yellow powder, black paste into the lips," which is called tear makeup, autumn makeup, sad makeup. And compared to Xishi, analyzed what is like knit but not knit. Not only that, they also browse through many famous painters painted Daiyu figure, and after the red scholar Shen Congwen knock. Synthesize so many factors, and finally set the makeup for Daiyu. So how can you not be close to the original when you draw an eyebrow with such care?

And for Xue Baochai's makeup design, it reflects its gorgeous warmth, very different from Lin Daiyu's plain and elegant. Not only that, each sister's makeup in the play is carefully designed, and taking into account the sisters often have to gather together activities, if the color tone is too messy, it will cause a messy and disharmonious feeling, therefore, in the crowd, less people in different scenes, the costumes are different, very attentive.

The makeup of the 87th version looks very harmonious and in line with the identity of the characters, but also very personalized. Such attentiveness to shoot a drama is now very rare to see.

The lead powder used for women's makeup in ancient times was only whiter and more unnatural than this, but the 87th version is still very good at restoring the dress and makeup style of the time.

I don't know what generation you were born in, I was 80 years old when I was a child watching the Red Chamber, I think the girls inside are very beautiful, and I don't think the makeup is strange, if you are 00 years old, you think it's strange and normal

The author commented on the TV series "Dream of the Red Chamber" directed by 89 years old and director Li Shaohong, and I agree with them all. But can not agree to criticize the 87 version of "Dream of Red Mansions".

87 years this, shooting took three years, the actors will of course change. Some of them got married and had children during the filming. And some of the actors were switched, "Yingchun" began that actor, and then because of the entrance exam to the Chinese opera, it is temporarily withdrawn, and by another top. Wang Fulin, director of the drama devoted his life's work, from the casting of actors to costumes, props, music are painstakingly, just the clothes made hundreds of pieces, the actors were using militarized management, eating, living and studying together, but also to recite poems, paintings, singing, these are to make them more immersive to bring themselves into the role. Such a heartfelt production was not like today, where casting is like a show. Later, after everyone's hard work, this is by far an unsurpassed classic.

In the makeup, in order to reflect the rich life of the characters in the Grand View Garden, all are tender skin, are the wife of the ladies, of course, to white point flawless, 80s makeup, girls think that the mouth is painted big red is beautiful, the face is painted white is beautiful, cosmetics, where as now what foundation, concealer, blush and so on. But I don't think it affects the aesthetic at all. The first time I watched this TV series, I felt that Jiafu is really rich, Lin Daiyu is really beautiful, Wang Xifeng is really hot, and the classic can't be replicated.

First of all, as a rich family, the great ladies red painted color is a norm, but also a symbol of identity. Especially high-consumption people like Phoenix, Daiyu and so on. By contrast, even the maids and the ladies, the thickness of the powder is different.

Careful words, we will find that the Grand View Garden girls usually have nothing to do, also like to pound rouge, pollen. Including Jia Baoyu is also, always like for the girls to polish the pollen rouge. What men like must be what women are willing to chase for. Soldiers die for their sweethearts, and women look good for themselves. The first thing you need to do is to make sure that you have the right makeup for the job.

Secondly, this seemingly exaggerated powdered makeup, it is very likely to be the study of the original, the daily makeup of the women of the dynasty at that time. After all, at that time in the past, women's makeup techniques were limited, and makeup and foundation were not as fine as they are today. It was because of the lagging efficacy of products and makeup techniques that women could only conceal their flaws by applying thicker coats.

On another note, Phoenix's makeup looks the thickest, not excluding the reason she gave birth to Qiao Sister. After a woman has given birth to a child, her face and skin will be greatly inferior. Not to mention that Jia Lian is a womanizer. It makes sense that Phoenix would not wear some heavy makeup!

Finally, again, in terms of time span. Many people were in puberty at the time, and it's natural for young boys and girls to have pimples and freckles on their faces, and of course they had to rely on makeup to cover up those cute, bubbly pimples. At the same time, a TV show is a long, time-spanning shoot, and in between the women may have babies, develop new lines, and have body shapes that change, so it's understandable that the makeup would be thicker and lighter at times!

More often than not, it's the director's and producer's research into women's makeup habits of the past that makes the 87th version of the makeup look so believable. Makeup techniques + product efficacy are probably all influencing factors, and if you use today's brands, you probably won't get that feeling. But at the same time, it loses its authenticity. Just like Li Shaohong version of "Dream of Red Mansions", how many people feel that it can not compare to the 87 version!

The two versions of "Phoenix", through the comparison can be found, the difference between the makeup.

Listening to ancient and modern myths, reading Chinese and foreign literature

It is quite strange to look at it violently. I remember rewatching it when I was a teenager, and since it was a long time since I'd seen it again, the discomfort with the makeup was particularly profound. Then I realized that's how it was in that version, and my mind was prepared for it, and the habit became natural.

I think it's the age difference in aesthetics. In the 1980s, the so-called nude makeup may be popular, now the so-called nude makeup that time there is no concept, the drama of the people's eyebrows are still shaved like that, and now no one so early to get, after all, more than 30 years past ah, how many generations of the trend change, we are now looking at the wrong is also normal, we are now looking at the TV series of the make-up, the past three or four decades is probably the same look uncomfortable.

And I think the most important thing is that, 87 Red Mansion, whether from the script, casting, acting, or costumes, faithful to the original, the study of red and post-production, are everywhere through the attitude of serious dedication to watch every frame can feel all the actors and actresses to pay the sweat of their achievements of this version of the classic, is the back of the remake of all the heights can not be reached, and these will be enough, the time, technology, funds, and the need for a new version of the classic, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time, the time. As for the age, technology and financial constraints caused by the small regret, compared with these genuinely unimportant.

The 87th version of Dream of Red Mansions is a classic in many people's minds, but of course, while watching the TV series, some people felt that the 97th version of the actor's makeup was very heavy, and everyone had a floating powder phenomenon.

In fact, this phenomenon is not surprising, this is because the director and makeup artist try to make the "Dream of Red Mansions" in order to make the makeup more close to the real appearance of the ancient women smeared with grease, which is the artistic image of the novel reproduction as well as at that time the specific makeup technology decided.

The make-up artist of the drama team was to emulate the make-up of ancient women, with a touch of antiquity, because ancient women didn't use foundation for make-up, usually applying lead powder directly. The first thing you need to do is to get your hands on a new pair of shoes or boots.

But most of the lead powder used by the ancient ladies is relatively rough, coated in the face does not serve, in which case it will inevitably float powder, 87 Red Mansion makeup artist is presenting ancient beauty makeup, that makeup with clothes, a look like the ancients out of the paintings, so the 87 version of the Dream of the Red Mansion inside the characters to let the audience feel more close to the real "ancients! "

This is the first time I've ever seen a movie in my life.

At that time, the make-up technology is not like today's make-up, today's actors are a variety of primer and apply concealer cream, and then fixing powder, and at that time, the Dream of Red Mansions shooting time Bi is 87 years, more than thirty years ago, when the cosmetic technology is not as good as it is now.

At that time, the crew used should be a very simple formula loose powder, makeup is mostly a layer of cream directly shoot fixing powder, unlike now on the formula requirements so high. The makeup is very light, after all, there was no filter, no fine-tuning, after the camera, the face presented to the audience is very real, so it is inevitable that a little dry, resulting in the phenomenon of floating powder.

While the makeup of the 87th version of Dream of Red Mansions is not as delicate as that of the actresses in today's TV series, there is also the phenomenon of floating powder, but it does not prevent it from becoming a classic in the minds of the people.

Very happy to answer this question.

The 87th edition of Dream of Red Mansions is a classic in the history of red studies, and even though it was later remade, it never restored the flavor of the original.

Not only is the actor's demeanor, the lines stand up to scrutiny, is simple makeup is also try to fit the original. 87 version of the "Dream of Red Mansions" has watched over and over again, but do not think the actor's makeup heavy, but instead is to see a delicate.

01 "Dream of Red Mansions" is about the story of the Qing Dynasty, the actor's makeup should be adapted to the characteristics of the Qing Dynasty makeup

Makeup culture in different dynasties, there are different preoccupations. In the Qing Dynasty, women's makeup was characterized by high eyebrows and low willow leaf eyebrows. Lips are about a cherry mouth, small and thin feeling. Upper lip as much as possible not painted, lower lip only coated inner lip is not divided. Look carefully at the 87 version of "Dream of Red Mansions", the main actor's attire, basically according to this main principle to draw. Then according to the different characteristics of the characters, slightly modified. Take Lin Daiyu as an example. Daiyu first entered the Jia House, the original of Daiyu's appearance is described in this way: two curved like knit non-knit bird's eye brows, a pair of like happy non-happy eyes. Then Daiyu's eyebrows should be thin and small, the end of the eyebrow sagging, revealing Daiyu's frail and sickly. With gray eyeshadow, more show Daiyu's spirit.

02 Combined with the photographic conditions at the time to analyze

80's photographic conditions are limited, there was no filter, beautification and other advanced camera software, the visual effect of the TV series completely rely on makeup to make up. If you don't draw the smoke, you can't see it on the TV after shooting. As we usually watch stage performances, from a distance, I think the actors are very beautiful, face is also very good, wait until close to see, are very thick makeup.

"Dream of the Red Chamber" thick makeup is also a reason, the character does not have the part of the line can only take the makeup to the audience to convey.

03 The physical condition of the role to be reflected from the makeup, different periods of makeup is not the same, and not simply puff powder on the line

Take Wang Xifeng, Lin Daiyu first entered the Jiafu, is the first appearance of Phoenix, a pair of Danfeng triangular eyes, two curved willow leaf hanging eyebrow, at once Wang Xifeng shrewdness out of the strength.

Waiting for Jia Lian married You Ersi and Qiutong, is the period of national filial piety family filial piety, Wang Xifeng's makeup is slightly older.

And then when Phoenix was imprisoned, the whole thing was drab.

Different periods, different scenarios, the use of different makeup, and not just a puff of powder.

87 version of "Dream of Red Mansions" regardless of the male and female actors, basically with makeup performances, it is true that the makeup is heavier, but we can not say that this is not good, you have to look at the overall effect of the performance. If an actor is wearing the same makeup from beginning to end, the audience can't tell when the performance is over. Maybe from today's aesthetic point of view, the beauty of the 80's has been outdated, but I personally feel that in terms of adherence to the original point of view, the 87 version of the "Dream of Red Mansions" is very perfect.

87 version of the "Dream of Red Mansions" make-up teacher Yang Shuyun teacher itself is to emulate the ancient shape, "on the wrong sedan chair to marry the right man" also by Yang Shuyun guidance make-up, there will be no one to say strange.

Is Mr. Yang Shuyun's make-up technique mutated? No, it's because he adhered to the idea that a character's makeup must match the social context, the living environment, the popular makeup of the time, and the popular cosmetics on the market.

Take "A Dream of Red Mansions" for example, the beauty of the characters in the play would not look good on anyone's face right now, but with the makeup, the characters' movements, and the decorations of the house, it wouldn't look out of place.

Let's look at this section of Ping'er's makeup -

And laughed and asked him: this is not lead powder, this is purple jasmine seed, crushed and blended with spices made.

Ping'er poured on the palm of her hand to see, over the see light fragrance red and white, all four are beautiful, spread on the face is easy to clean, and can moisturize the skin, unlike other powder green heavy astringent stagnation .

Then saw the rouge is not into Zhang, but a small white jade box, which holds a box, such as pouring cream. Baoyu laughed and said: that the market sale of rouge are not clean, the color is also thin. This is a good rouge wringing out the juice, pao clarified clean dregs, with a flower dew steam stacked into. Only with a fine hairpin to pick a little smear in the hand, with a little water to smear on the lips, the heart of the hand is enough to hit the cheeks of the cheeks.

Ping'er followed the instructions to decorate, resulting in a bright and colorful, and sweet-smelling cheeks.

Ping'er as Wang Xifeng's hand, the market is not a lack of good cosmetics, but to the Yihongyuan saw Baoyu their homemade purple jasmine powder, or sigh "light white red, spread on the face is also easy to even out the net, and can moisturize the skin, not like the other powder heavy astringent stagnant."

This means that the market is lead powder, and "green heavy astringent stagnation", according to today's words is not easy to push open.

So with the background of the story of "A Dream of Red Mansions", the make-up was naturally heavy how to come, face very white, lips very red, "bright and colorful".

87 version of the "Dream of the Red Chamber" crew not only replicated each of the characters in the play, even when the makeup and hair, clothing, are to do extreme restoration.

I don't think we should be thinking about heavy makeup, but rather about the social development and life style of the time through heavy makeup.

If the makeup in Chinese history has been the same for the last hundred years, how can there be any sense of history?

If the makeup has been the same for a century, how can there be any sense of history?